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It's one of those Seattle days that not many people know we
actually get to enjoy on a fairly regular basis. The sky is wide
open blue, the sun is blinding and all the kids on Broadway are in
shorts, tank-tops, any kind of blue-camo based summer-wear you can
name. I'm spending a weekday afternoon with Arlie Carstens, lead
singer for Seattle band Juno, walking, talking, walking and
talking.
We meet at the beautiful Vivace espresso house with it's cool
interiors and large windows overlooking a park where people sprawl
and play, soaking up the absolutely gorgeous day. As I walk in,
Carsten is reading a rave just-out review of his band's new record
in local mag Tablet, which is right on except for the
somewhat bizarre Roger Waters reference. We take a window seat and
order Americanos and Lattes in oversized cups that make your hands
look really small. And we smile. The smile of the
good-coffee-in-huge-cups-drinking sunny afternoon invisibles,
temporarily immune to the world whilst watching it glide by. That's
a good smile.
"Right now," says Carstens, "I'm happy."
And so he should be. Juno just released their second album, A
Future Lived In Past Tense [DeSoto Records] and it's killer…a
modern classic, even. And a lot of us can't believe it ever got
here. Juno is a band with a story, and quite the tale it is.
Pink Floyd has nothing to do with it.
THINGS GONE AND THINGS STILL HERE
Arlie Carstens is as Seattle as anybody I've ever met. Born in
this city’ Swedish Hospital, he's lived here his entire life despite
offers, lures and emotional reasons to transplant to bigger hubs of
humanity. In true Pacific Northwest spirit, Carstens started pouring
all his energies at a young age into two of this region’s religious
activities -- music and sports. He excelled in both, becoming not
only the frontman in one of today's most exciting rock bands, but
also a super-talented snowboarder. He turned pro early on and it
became almost impossible to pick up a boarding magazine without
seeing a piece written on or by Arlie John Carstens. At the same
time, his band Juno was spreading it’s wings and learning to fly.
Buzz was immediate as the fledgling group released a couple of
singles on different labels (Jade Tree and Mag Wheel) and started
thinking about a home for their debut album. There was a strong
connection to Seattle kingpin's Sub Pop for quite a while and
everyone expected the debut album from Juno to have the famed black
and white logo on it. The 'negotiations' went on for eighteen
months, during which time Carstens made an appearance on the
legendary Hype! video -- not as a performer, but as the young
man in the promo before the movie starts shilling the soundtrack
album in a style mocking all those lame TV infomercials where a
happy couple reminisce about their favorite music. Despite all this,
it all went wrong, the deal went dead, and Juno came away feeling
they had wasted a huge chunk of time being dangled.
It was here that the initial formidable line-up of Juno
solidified. With the enigmatic Arlie leading the charge on vocals
and guitar, Juno lined up thus: Gabe Carter and Jason Guyer on
guitars, Travis Saunders on bass, and Greg Ferguson behind the drum
kit. The “three-guitar front” became almost a catchphrase as Juno
rendered Seattle's jaded hipsters speechless at show after show. You
have to realize that Juno isn't a band with a star and a bunch of
supporting players, every member is a piece of a very intricate
puzzle. The live show quickly became legendary. Arlie emotional and
frantic on the mic, slapping his own hand over his mouth one second
and taunting the audience the next. Gabe, lost in sound yet
completely in control of the songs, making his guitars emote like
no-one else. Jason, almost serene next to his bandmates, yet ready
at any second to mutate into a rock monster. Travis, gentlest man in
the world offstage but a bizarre weirdo schizo bass thing on it with
his stuttery robot dances and incredibly unique approach to playing.
And Greg, quite simply one of this country’s greatest drummers. The
man is untouchable.
This, then, was The Juno.
THE DEVIL WEARS A HALO
Finally a record deal was sealed! Juno's first album would be a
bi-coastal joint release between the Jawbox label DeSoto in
Washington DC and Seattle's own Pacifico. Everything was in place,
and then Arlie Carstens broke his neck snowboarding and almost died.
A bad ending to a cool move in a half-pipe left Arlie in a halo for
months after going through experimental surgery to re-fuse his spine
and neck. Whilst wearing a halo, which is a cumbersome metal ring
attached to the head by screws drilled into the skull, you cannot
lie down as too much pressure on the screws could force them into
the brain. Carstens spent four months sitting up in a bed, focusing
all his energy into the recuperation because, if the surgical
procedures didn't work, his neck would have to be re-broken and
everything would start over. For an overactive Straight Edge kid,
keeping still and being pumped full of drugs was far from the ideal
position to be in. It was as if Dante had written a personal Hell
for Carstens. And what about the record, the tours, that whole band
thing?
A WISER AND MORE JUST FUTURE
Carstens made a genuinely miraculous recovery. The intensity of
therapeutic concentration paid off. Suddenly Juno were back on the
stages, the record was in stores causing waves and everything
was...good. This Is The Way It Goes and Goes And Goes was the
title of the album, and it spread Juno's fan base from Seattle to
all across the world. Earlier this year, before the release of the
new record, Juno undertook a mammoth European tour, from England to
Slovenia, a tour nine months in the planning. Travel is a great
refresher to Carstens.
"If I'm in the same place too long or around the same people I
can become very underwhelmed, and slip into laziness. Being
somewhere new re-energizes me, things fly at you so fast, all these
new opportunities, and everything takes on a new clarity. I'd never
go out dancing in Seattle until two in the morning, but on tour,
after we'd played a show, I'd have fun at cheesy discos until five
or six a.m., four or five nights in a row. Dancing to James and
fuckin' Chemical Brothers."
ALL THE HIP KIDS WAIL
For an actual description of the music that makes up A Future
Lived In Past Tense, go see Reed Jackson's fantastic review on
these very pages where he absolutely nails the massive
accomplishment of the record and all the sparkling, cinematic detail
within. We're concerned here with the men behind the music, and of
course the effects of their albums now sent unto the world to raze
the fortresses of adequacy with the soon-to-be-legendary Juno guitar
storm.
SOMEONE SOMEWHERE WILL ALWAYS SING THE WORDS YOU NEED
Juno are two bands in one. The first time I ever spoke with the
group in an interview setting, back when This Is The Way It Goes
And Goes And Goes was just coming out, we spent a great deal of
our time discussing the bi-polarity of the band, the schizophrenic
nature of the Juno beast. The equation remains today and seems
magnified, if that's possible.
"Live, we're fairly energetic. Loud maybe." Carstens grins. "
Sometimes funny, sometimes sad."
Sometimes confrontational, I suggest.
"Yeah, yes, definitely. When you play to a packed room, in a
confined space, you want to light a fire, see some energy."
I push Arlie on passion and focused aggression.
"There are things in life worth taking a stand on. There are
things in life worth dying for. I certainly believe there are things
in life worth killing someone over. Not that I advocate killing
anyone."
At this point two young children start running around our table,
noisily and annoyingly. Carstens jumps up, goes over to the parents
of the children, whispers a few words in their ears and returns to
our table. The wee ones don't even come near us for the rest of the
afternoon.
"I mean I love kids," says Carstens, "kids are alright..."
Back to the bi-polar Juno....
"We record albums that sound massive and enveloping, with the
very limited amount of money that we have. We try to make our
recordings sound spacious. Our recording budgets are tiny, and
because we want to make the records we want to make -- without
question -- every member of the band will come up with x-thousand
dollars to put towards it. That's how we do it, fuck it, this is the
music we want to make, along with spending the money in the right
places, like using Kip Beelman as engineer/producer. The live
experience is almost the opposite. The records are big and lush and
you can immerse yourself in them, it'll swarm over them. The live
show, we don't replicate the records live. That's not what we want
live. We want an energetic show, to get people moving. We want them
to think "’his is nuts!’ -- you know?"
In Europe, Carstens chipped his tooth on a microphone. In
England, Juno confounded the London press Mafia. Advance copies of
AFLIPT was sent out to all the usual NME people, and a bunch
of journos attended Juno's show at The Garage in beautiful
Islington. They couldn't believe what they saw as Juno, as always,
went ballistic on the crowd and exploded all pre-conceptions into
fragments. This is Juno as they always have been and will always
be.
THE POINTLESS QUESTION
Arlie - will Juno ever make a spiky nasty album and then get on
stage and play all soft and lush?
"No."
AN EXPANSION ON THE POINTLESS QUESTION
"I don't think that could ever happen for us. We have such a wide
variety of songs. Look at "You Are The Beautiful Conductor Of This
Orchestra" and "Trail of Your Blood In The Snow" -- super low. We
have people in our band who love fast aggressive stuff, some who
like the mellow stuff. We all like each other, we all like different
stuff, we can each come in with a different part and end up with
something amazing from those parts, but we won't sit down and say
'let's write a super-fast album' -- you know?"
For the record, and in case you don't have the record yet
(shame!) - “Trail of Your Blood In The Snow” is a very jazzy track,
slow and somewhat intricate based around oscillating bass notes,
that slowly advances at a steady pace, all beautiful melody and
heart-soothing progression, until the last 30 seconds where it
erupts -- literally out of nowhere -- into skull-crushing
guitars.
PUT ON YOUR PUNK BELT AND ROCK IT FOR ALL THE SQUARE
COOLS
There's a lot more we could talk about -- Arlie's description of
the "absurdly bombastic" “Covered In Hair” ("the song is wearing a
cut-off shirt and jean-shorts, it's doing guitar windmills!") more
excellent tour stories from Europe, the whole incredible recovery
process (mentally AND physical) from the neck-breaking, the history
of punk-rock from then to now ("now, super jocked-out from Orange
County with snap-on haircuts") and the ever expanding Juno
philosophy that is so encompassing it's practically a sub-culture.
We could talk about it, but that would be another ten million words
on the Unpop site. All I can end with is this -- seek out Juno, now,
on record and live. Embrace them. Hold them close. Because one day,
in complete and utter honesty, they really, really may just save
your life.
Some Of Arlie Carsten's album picks that will always save your
life:
Talk Talk- The Laughing Stock
American Music Club -
Everclear
Lungfish - everything and anything
Nina
Simone - everything and anything
Interview by Mike Hukin
[June, 2001] on unpop.com